Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

(e360.yale.edu)

234 points | by speckx 7 hours ago

22 comments

  • wraptile 6 hours ago
    I'm a scuba diver here in Thailand and you can still see blast fishing damage from decades ago that never fully recovered. It's truly as terrible as the article makes it out to be.

    What is interesting is that both Indonesia and Thailand have strong and similar anti blast fishing laws since early 00s that charge 5+ years of prison time.

    However, Thailand has been much more successful with taming blast fishing which is practically gone now and the story here is very insightful.

    Some of it is due to Thailand's geography and high demand for marine tourism but the biggest push here was EU and US regulation that gave Thailand opportunity to shape up. In 2015 (same year when Thai anti blast laws were codified more strictly) US TIP (trafficking in persons) report down-graded Thailand to tier 3 mostly due to fishing slave workers while at the same time EU's IUU (illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing) issued a yellow card. All of which lead to the biggest fishery reform in Thai history which mostly eliminated blast fishing.

    Since then Thailand is back to tier 2 of TIP and got lost the yellow card from EU's IUU. Indonesia never got tier 3 of TIP despite many arguing it should have and never got a card from IUU. Stories like this turn me into a globalization believer - I know it's not perfect but the system is kinda working?

    • ghm2199 6 hours ago
      Is it just a matter of incentives by the government in indonesia? Like is it that bomb fishing in indonesia is incentivized because of, for example, profit margins in fishing vs say tourism?

      I know you mentioned Indonesia never got the yellow card it should have and that certainly creates less incentives for them to straighten their act. But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not?

      • wraptile 5 hours ago
        > But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not?

        all blast fishing is a failure of governance so I'd say yes but the fishing cultures here in SEA are so different from anywhere else in the world so it's very hard to govern without strong central body. Lots of cultural, religious, poverty and spiritual stuff mixed into all of that which really complicates things.

        IMO Thailand has a much stronger centralized government and just better geography to make enforcement easier. It's mostly mainland with coastlines while Indonesia is mostly islands which are notoriously difficult to govern. So to answer your question, it's probably just that incentives in Thailand go much further due to all of these variables.

        • markdown 49 minutes ago
          While it's hard to regulate fishing when your country is made up of endless islands, it's quite easy to regulate dynamite. So no, I don't think the number of islands is an excuse.

          In Fiji, for example, no fisherman could get dynamite if they wanted it. The only way to get that is if you run a (very heavily regulated) mine, or a quarry, and you'd have to account for every blast.

          • lmz 30 minutes ago
            Does it have to be dynamite or are other, improvised explosives possible?
      • markdown 46 minutes ago
        Indonesia gets a free pass for an ongoing genocide, so it's not surprising nobody cares about them breaking coral.
    • throwaway2037 6 hours ago
      Thanks for sharing your first-hand account of diving in Thailand. I think they should aggressively pursue coral planting. They are several projects in Indonesia that have demonstrated excellent results. I volunteered for a day doing coral planting in Bali, Indonesia. As part of the dive, they take you to different parts of the coral reef as it recovers, showing you how it changes year after year. You can see the change with your own eyes.
      • wraptile 6 hours ago
        I agree though we had very mid results here in the Gulf of Thailand while the Andaman Sea side has had more luck. The issue with Gulf of Thailand is that it's just so shallow with avg depth of only 50m and too calm making new coral growth very hard with existing techniques. There's some new promising research on alternative methods of raising coral larva in labs, but I'm not up to speed with that yet and it seems quite complex.
        • bbondo 6 hours ago
          Have any areas in GoT shown recovery from blasting and/or bleaching without human intervention? I have fond memories of Koh Tao circa 2009...
          • wraptile 5 hours ago
            Koh Tao is definitely not doing great compared to 2009 though there is some bounce back lately. I just moved from there to Koh Chang which despite poor visibility still has a lot of absolutely stunning untouched corals though unlike Koh Tao it takes an hour-long boat ride to get out there. Koh Phangan recently made news on massive natural recovery, so there's a lot of hope in the Gulf of Thailand still!
      • randoomed 2 hours ago
        Mossy earth has been doing a (i think quite successful) restoration of an coral area damaged by bomb fishing in indonesia. Here is a 2 year recap of the program and the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0bkMhhMHOw
  • wlaw15 7 hours ago
    Sometimes you learn of an unintended consequence of seemingly good idea wreaking havoc on an ecosystem. I would not put fishing with "plastic bottles filled with explosives" into that category.
    • cute_boi 7 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • 3minus1 6 hours ago
        According to the article these fish are sold locally, with obvious damage from the blasts to their internal organs. So it's not the reason fish is cheap in Western countries. AFAIK cheap fish mostly comes from farms.
      • throwaway2037 6 hours ago

            > Otherwise how would people have cheap fish?
        
        I will offer a counterpoint. Japan has extensive fishing within its territorial waters (economic exclusive zone). It has some of the most productive fishing in the world, in part, thanks to the Kuroshio current. Japan does not need to use dynamite fishing, and yet, raw fish prices are incredibly cheap in Japan for a huge variety of fish. Their prices are much cheaper than other highly industrialised nations.
      • kubb 7 hours ago
        Cast a net or eat tempeh. It being convenient doesn’t mean it’s the only way to do it.
        • aziaziazi 6 hours ago
          +1 for tempeh, incredible tasty and healthy food. Anyone should try it at least once in their lifetime.
        • cute_boi 4 hours ago
          Tempeh is good, and I fully support it.
        • throwaway2037 6 hours ago
          Why is this downvoted? It is a reasonable comment.
        • Johnny_Bonk 6 hours ago
          Casting a net is actually one of the less sustainable ways to fish.
          • throwaway2037 6 hours ago
            I am starting to see this lazy response pattern on HN. Someone makes a reasonable comment, then a responder pops-up like a whack-a-mole to say little more than: "That's not true." or "That's still bad." ... while offering no evidence to their claim, nor any reasonable alternative. I think that it adds so little to the conversation. And specific to the comment, they even used the Holy Grail of annoying Internet argument tendencies: "actually".
          • skinfaxi 6 hours ago
            Compared to throwing bombs in the water?
          • red-iron-pine 6 hours ago
            depends on how big the net is. some of those huge trawllers do lots and lots of damage.

            tempeh can be crazy toxic if spoilt. there is coconut tempeh which is officially banned due to potential for toxic contamination, but which is still super popular -- and routinely kills a couple of people every year.

            • fc417fc802 4 hours ago
              I'm curious. Do you mean spoiled during the production process (ie was inedible to begin with) or spoiled in storage (ie was edible at time of purchase)?
              • dkbrk 1 hour ago
                Either can happen. The root cause is growth of Burkholderia gladioli [0] on certain foods rich in specific fatty acids, which include coconut and corn. This can happen during the fermentation process of fermented coconut and corn products if there's Burkholderia gladioli contamination and the pH, salinity and temperature aren't controlled to prevent its growth, but it is also possible for Burkholderia gladioli to contaminate food containing coconut or corn after it has been produced and produce bongkrek acid while it is being stored (e.g. [1], which is where I first learned about this).

                Bongkrek acid [2] is odorless, tasteless and is not destroyed by cooking. Food can show no signs of spoilage and contain a lethal dose, though fermented products that were contaminated during production might show differences in color, texture and smell if the Burkholderi out-competed the normal fermentation process.

                [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_gladioli

                [1]: https://youtu.be/yXnSYfv6bCA?si=7DTW4J0ahMoWUuLd

                [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bongkrek_acid

                [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh#Tempe_bongkr%C3%A8k

              • nomel 2 hours ago
                Since fermentation is involved, I don't think there's a clear line between the two.
          • tclancy 6 hours ago
            Think you might be casting too wide a net there. It certainly can be.
          • lightedman 6 hours ago
            Which sort of net casting? I grew up with a hand-case 8ft diameter net. I'll guarantee you that's a billion times more sustainable than a trawler.
      • krunck 5 hours ago
        > Otherwise how would people have cheap fish?

        Fish farming?

      • doublepg23 6 hours ago
        > While fishers predominantly use the method to catch fish for sale at local markets
  • tescreal 13 minutes ago
    How did we get to loonie tunes levels of absurdity? I understand dragnet fishing is destructive, but who first decided that dynamite was a good fishing method?
  • willmeyers 6 hours ago
    This is the repo if people are interesting in this work: https://github.com/ben-williams-ai/Bomb-Fishing
  • pajko 6 hours ago
    Had experienced grenade fishing in person on the Vjosa in Albania. Was kayaking when a 20-30(-40?) meters high water column appeared about 300 meters in front of me, accompanied by a big bang. Not cool.
  • pingou 7 hours ago
    "With a bomb dropped once every 62 minutes, the equivalent of three football fields of reef are destroyed each year, according to Williams."

    That doesn't sound right.

    • ryandrake 7 hours ago
      I love the American measurement units. How many bald eagles of explosives are needed to destroy three football fields worth of reef?
      • superbatfish 4 hours ago
        The quote you're referring to came from the study's lead author, a Brit. Presumably he was referring to soccer (which everyone else calls "football"). Furthermore, a soccer field and an American football field are reasonably close in area, so it gets the point across in any case.

        However, I will now refer to explosives exclusively in units of Bald Eagles when referring to their mass, and "star spangles" when referring to their energy output.

        • toast0 52 minutes ago
          Don't Brits usually call it a football pitch?
      • BoxOfRain 6 hours ago
        This isn't a uniquely American thing to be fair, in the UK it's not unusual to discuss area in terms of football pitches or for very large areas, Wales.
        • shevy-java 5 hours ago
          The rest of the world has moved on to the metric system. Even NASA did.

          UK should not hold us back with their shenanigans.

          • BoxOfRain 3 hours ago
            To be fair, who actually has a mental model of what 20,779 square kilometres or 8,023 square miles (the area of Wales expressed as a number) actually looks like? Doesn't matter if you're using imperial or metric, it's not very intuitive beyond the human scale.

            If you're trying to communicate 'this much rainforest disappeared' or 'look how large this landmass-sized Antarctic iceberg is' to a wide audience a well-known area is a reasonable way to do it. In Britain basically everyone knows roughly what the size of Wales is relative to the other countries of the UK, even if they don't know its exact size.

            • bamboozled 1 hour ago
              What is good about metric is that once you have a good feel for different lengths of mm, cm,meters and kilometres you don’t need to worry about things like “10 Super Bowl stadiums”. You can easily extrapolate what 27km2 means, it doesn’t have to “look like” anything.
          • AngryData 1 hour ago
            Even NASA uses AUs and degrees which are both not metric.
          • lenerdenator 4 hours ago
            The UK is arguably worse than the US in this regard. The US has mainly stayed with a system that sticks to one measurement across use cases. If I burn fuel at a rate of x miles per y gallons, I purchase it at the pump in gallons. If Tommy Atkins burns fuel at a rate of x miles per y gallon, he purchases it at the pump in liters; there's an extra step for conversion.
      • throwaway2037 6 hours ago
        What a low value comment. In this case, a European football (soccer) field/pitch is reasonably close in size to an American football field. If the article had used square feet or acres, your comment might be more relevant. Google tells me that FIFA football pitch size is 105 meters long by 68 meters wide (7140 sq m). American football field size is 110 meters long by 53 meters wide (5830 sq m).
      • red-iron-pine 5 hours ago
        four to five Big Mac's worth.

        advanced question for the college types: how many if you supersize it?

        • thoughtbefore 19 minutes ago
          Which supersize, with shrinkflation applied or illegal in NY?
    • cannonpr 7 hours ago
      You’d be surprised how vulnerable aquatic organisms are, and how far energy travels in water after an explosion…
      • franciscop 7 hours ago
        I think the point is the opposite, I also expected a lot more damage from a bomb every hour
        • AlwaysRock 7 hours ago
          I'd suspect that the goal isn't to destroy coral reefs and the damage is "accidental." And/or the reefs are already largely fucked, so additional damage is "minimal."
          • throwaway2037 6 hours ago
            To be clear, coral reefs are essentially collectors/attractors/homes for a huge number of fish species. If you go away from a coral reef (even 50 meters), there is large drop-off in the amount of fish in the water column -- almost none. They are absolutely bomb fishing within coral reefs because there are lots of fish.
      • chinathrow 7 hours ago
        I would assume the area was larger than reported. I mean that's 24*365 bombs per year.
    • deadbunny 7 hours ago
      I'd assume the deployment isn't always over reefs?
  • doodlebugging 1 hour ago
    I read the article looking for any mention of how they classified the recorded events as bomb blasts versus impulses from seismic surveying for oil and gas. That region has been very active since at least 2015 with seismic surveys and in 2023, the period covered by the article there were several crews operating.

    I know that seismic survey acquisition should be easily identifiable because those shots occur at precise intervals during the survey and continue all day long with no breaks unless there is an equipment failure or other reason to shut down. A 10 second interval would be one common example.

    The damages from activities like this are terrible. Using explosives as a seismic sources was banned in the late 1970's I think due to harms done to marine mammals and organisms and the environment in general. Since then, airguns firing compressed air have been the dominant marine seismic source. Depending on the bandwidth of the bubble created and the volume of the airgun array they can also be extremely destructive to marine mammals like whales and porpoises so crews employ biologists as whale watchers in those areas where activity can be expected so that the effects on whales can be minimized.

    It is still a serious issue in offshore exploration though.

    Bomb fishing is something I would expect to hear about from some redneck coon-ass from Lousyana. I guess that people everywhere figured out how to stun fish to improve catch quantities and some use that as the primary method now. Maybe if deeper waters weren't fished out they could just go further offshore. Once you have foreign fleets dragging up everything in their paths then the only fish left are around the reefs.

  • boringg 7 hours ago
    File this under the category "people are f-bomb-ing idiots".

    I wouldn't be surprised if social media was spreading this technique as successful way to fish.

    • dmkolobov 7 hours ago
      My first encounter with the concept of bomb fishing was the Shapoklyak episode of the soviet cartoon Cheburashka, produced in the 70s. It's been around.
      • alwa 5 hours ago
        Mine came much later, in the Triplets of Belleville (2003). In case it brings a nostalgic smile to anyone else’s face, too:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N0VrHQ-cHUA&

      • mc32 7 hours ago
        Yeah it’s been around for a while but it’s been at the individual level not at the commercial scale which makes the practice way worse.
        • dghlsakjg 5 hours ago
          It’s been commercial in SE Asia for decades. Personally seen it in Thailand and Indo 20+ years ago.
    • orbital-decay 5 hours ago
      Blast fishing has been practiced since at least early 20th century. Essentially everyone knows about it and understands how destructive it is, no social media required. Some people just don't care.
      • boringg 4 hours ago
        Prevalence and availability is changing. Old technique better distribution on how to.
        • orbital-decay 4 hours ago
          The thought of the fishermen watching tiktok on how to poach is ludicrous. They're perfectly aware about this method and its high illegality. It might be new to some HN readers who aren't going to do this anyway, though.

          >how to

          Dynamite goes into the water, fish goes belly up, 90% of the catch is lost. It's not rocket science.

    • red-iron-pine 5 hours ago
      idiots? this is clever af. maximum fish for limited effort.

      the coral is a tragedy of the commons things; it's a sweet deal for lazy fisherman.

    • dghlsakjg 5 hours ago
      It IS a successful way to fish if you care about feeding your kids tonight, and not in 10 years.

      Fishermen were doing this in Indonesia decades ago. Pretty well known technique.

  • tobyjsullivan 5 hours ago
    I wonder if there’s a version of Maslow’s hierarchy that applies to countries/societies.
    • oasisbob 4 hours ago
      Kohlberg's theory of moral development comes to mind.
  • adjejmxbdjdn 3 hours ago
    We need to stop our obsession with exploiting animals.

    It’s leading us to do insane things damaging our own health and the environment, nevermind how much suffering it’s causing the actual sentient beings we’re using.

    • tomasphan 3 hours ago
      This is not an obsession with hurting animals. It’s survival and earning a living for these Indonesian fishermen.

      To incentivize them to stop you have to give them better options. In this case, teach a man to not fish with explosives and you’ll feed him for the rest of his life.

      • xp84 1 hour ago
        > It’s survival and earning a living for these Indonesian fishermen.

        Why make excuses for greedy jackasses? Their ancestors didn't invent this 5,000 years ago and it's the "oNlY wAy they can survive." They fished without bombs once. Some guy realized this depraved method works, so now lazy people choose to do it so they can get money faster than the people fishing legitimately can. That's why it's illegal.

  • KellyCriterion 6 hours ago
    For context, a worth-a-read Wikipedia entry regarding the term:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_fishing

  • pranav_tech26 6 hours ago
    Low-cost acoustic sensors paired with community reporting usually beat complex tech solutions when enforcing marine boundaries in remote areas.
  • koliber 2 hours ago
    Bomb fishing is bad. I am surprised that only 3 football field equivalent areas are destroyed per year in a country as vast as Indonesia.

    I hate the idea but this article makes me optimistic that other proactive measures that are not mentioned might be restoring a lot more than this.

    Read critically.

  • gpi 4 hours ago
    Ricidulous fishing in real life
  • ungreased0675 5 hours ago
    It’s hard to believe this is real. Destroying a vibrant ecosystem for a one-time catch is so selfish and shortsighted it’s amazing to me that anyone would seriously consider doing it.
    • Someone 3 hours ago
      > Destroying a vibrant ecosystem for a one-time catch is so selfish and shortsighted it’s amazing to me that anyone would seriously consider doing it.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing#Examples_and_evide... has several examples of prior ‘art’, and I don’t think that list is complete. Herring almost became extinct in the Atlantic in the 1970s, for example.

      And that’s only fishing. Other examples include the passenger pigeon, the American bison, and the dodo.

    • xp84 1 hour ago
      They're the same brand of morally-bankrupt pieces of shit who poach elephants all day long just to hack off the tusks to grind into some idiot's superstitious penis pills. Someday they'll all be gone and they'll just shrug and move onto the next appalling way of making a quick buck.
    • raincole 4 hours ago
      What's so hard to believe? Bomb fishing has been a common practice for decades. And poisoning fishing. And electrocuting fishing. Only first-world citizens would find these surprising in the slightest sense.

      The difference between the first world and the rest of the world is that the first world has more sympathy for the non-existing, abstract humans from the distant future.

    • MaxHoppersGhost 4 hours ago
      China is doing this with their ghost fleets in south american waters. Just terrible.
    • shevy-java 5 hours ago
      You mean, everyone else is fishing nicely? Are you sure about that?
    • kridsdale1 5 hours ago
      People will do literally anything if they are hungry enough.
      • thinkingtoilet 5 hours ago
        True. However, often times the people benefiting from this are plenty fed.
      • WarmWash 4 hours ago
        It's more like "People will do anything for money"
        • pishpash 3 hours ago
          Money is a claim on valuable things, so people will do anything to get more of valuable things. Some may say that's just an abstracted form of biological hunger.
      • moomoo11 5 hours ago
        are there other sources of food available?
    • reticulates 5 hours ago
      The degree to which this lacks empathy for the struggle to survive that people have the world over is harder to believe. Sincerely, though, all fishing is pretty terrible, we (the rich west) have been overfishing and pillaging the oceans for decades. Even now in peak concern for the environment, we really don’t care nearly enough. If you personally want to avoid contributing to ravaging of the planet, switch to a low impact diet (e.g: only eat chicken, or go vegan).
      • ungreased0675 3 hours ago
        Not to do poverty Olympics, but I once was poor, living on an island, and reliant on fish for a lot of meals. Don’t assume I can’t empathize.

        Why so quick to make excuses for selfish and mind-bendingly stupid people? Why are you assigning guilt on the “rich west” for a local practice that is for local consumption? Not every indigenous practice is good. Some are the reason those communities can’t escape poverty. It’s not colonialism or oppression, their problem is stupidity.

        • xp84 1 hour ago
          I think some people belong to the very popular new religion that holds as dogma that anything bad done by someone in the developing world must be the fault of evil Westerners somehow.

          > It’s not colonialism or oppression, their problem is stupidity.

          bingo

      • superbatfish 4 hours ago
        >this lacks empathy for the struggle to survive

        The article addresses that objection.

  • asdf333 3 hours ago
    yeah maybe lets not do bomb fishing
  • bamboozled 41 minutes ago
    It’s wild that people are this dumb.

    I’m sure if you told an indigenous tribe you were planning to do this they’d agree that it’s stupid, yet here we are.

  • shevy-java 5 hours ago
    Well - bombs sounds fancy. How about those huge trawlers that drag everything out? Does not sound as dangerous as bomb fishing. But destroys more than bomb fishing objectively.
  • mbmbn 5 hours ago
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  • epolanski 7 hours ago
    We truly deserve to get extinct. There's nothing but selfishness and greed from Wall Street to San Francisco to the Indonesian fisheries and Indian farms.
    • voakbasda 7 hours ago
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      • 21asdffdsa12 7 hours ago
        Ahistoric defeatism. Embraces our nature, instead of fleeing for the hills of utopism. Learn to steer it, change it. We accomplished wonders- humanity is calm and peaceful compared to what it once was.

        The gaming industry and cellphones alone have pacified a species whose footprint is ever shrinking. Literal monks with hypnotic glowing stones, this whole industry is a miracle and has given nature a breather it would not have had without it.

        • red-iron-pine 4 hours ago
          ever shrinking? mon ami we're collapsing the global ecological system.

          soon humanity will be the only footprint that matters.

        • cindyllm 7 hours ago
          [dead]
      • karim79 7 hours ago
        Let's not forget the scorpions. They also deserve a turn.
    • quietsignal 7 hours ago
      Note that the selfishness of the farmer or fisherman may in certain light differ from the greed of the capitalist, if one’s family endurance depends on it.
      • TSiege 7 hours ago
        If you read the article it’s pretty clear this is greed and short sighted thinking

        > While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation. The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.

        “A combination of factors drives blast fishing, including ineffective enforcement and management,” said Hampton-Smith, highlighting how indiscriminate the explosions are, killing all manner of species, regardless of age, size, or intent.

      • epolanski 7 hours ago
        Those are nothing but excuses.

        Destroying habitats and the future of fellow fishermen for short-term gain is just selfishness and greed.

        Desperation is no excuse.

        • TSiege 7 hours ago
          To those replying that it’s feeding starving children read the article. The equipment to do this isn’t accessible to poor fishermen. From the article, “While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation. The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.”

          I’d argue this practice hurts poor fisherman more than helps as coral reefs are important nurseries for fish and reliable sources as well. Blowing them up will rob communities of shallow fishing grounds and future fish

        • horacemorace 7 hours ago
          Say that again when your children are starving.
          • rdiddly 6 hours ago
            Thanks to these assholes destroying entire fisheries, I might not have to wait long.
          • pvaldes 49 minutes ago
            Sell the bombs and buy food with the money?

            If you have money for buying bombs, you have money for a fishing rod to feed your children for the entire year.

        • eloisius 7 hours ago
          Easy to say when it’s not your child facing starvation. The long term doesn’t matter if your family isn’t going to make it another month.
          • Avicebron 7 hours ago
            RTFA, they say they it's not poverty, the explosives and boats involved mean that it's not the desperate doing this. It's greed, the sooner we can be less paternalistic about this kind of stuff the sooner we can start addressing these kind of problems. It's like India or china being major polluters, they need to be held accountable just like the west holds/held itself accountable.
            • zmgsabst 6 hours ago
              I enjoy when HN engages in overt racism like this — eg, denying peer agency and morality to SE Asians, due to the posters feeling above those “lessers”.

              Paternalistic racism might as well be a central tenet of certain political movements — whose entire ideology is that certain humans are not fully equal as thinking moral agents in the world.

              The new “scientific racism”.

      • parineum 7 hours ago
        Anything beyond ascetic maximalism will be cast as greed to the naturists and malthusians.

        There's always someone out there who is going to make the argument.

        • epolanski 4 hours ago
          There aren't many more reasons but greed to destroy ecosystems with bombs and detonators.
  • bcjdjsndon 7 hours ago
    Send them some subsidies from those large American coffers then, and they won't need to
    • paimapi 7 hours ago
      blunt comment but not technically wrong - it's likely poverty and subsistence living that's driving adoption of this 'technique' and much of that originates from a combination of the colonial carve up of Indonesia [0] in combination with the weak and easily exploited position of the country within globalized economic markets [1]

      [0] https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenter...

      >Centuries of Dutch control produced an ethnic and economic caste system familiar to many colonized peoples. Compared to some imperial powers, Dutch policy was less focused on “Dutchifying” the indigenous population, with most attention paid to resource extraction and maritime strategic advantage.

      [1] https://archive.org/details/ahmad-nashih-luthfi-muhammad-fau...

      >The short cut to development that the New Order took was highly depending on foreign loans. Consequently, development models were very much shaped by the foreign institutions that became the source of finance for Indonesia. At the end of the 1980s for instance, the World Bank forced for the project for the construction of Kedung Ombo Dam [...] The construction of the Dam had caused thousands of people and tens of villages to be evicted and involuntarily resettled. The Dam became the symbol of prestige for the New Order. When the New Order regime collapsed, the dam was abandoned and gradually left to dry.

      • Poacher5 7 hours ago
        That's addressed in the article? The claim made is that this is more a way of middle-income market-trading fishermen increasing their catch and profit. Those at the bottom can't afford the necessary explosives.
        • paimapi 7 hours ago
          that's an uncited claim framed as a guess, not confirmation or even a more educated guess by people performing actual ethnographies and larger demographic analysis. pair it against both the fact that these bombs are easy to make (plastic bottle + explosive) and the stronger kinship ties of families and villages, it's not impossible to imagine groups pooling money to purchase fertilizer on the gray market

          you'd have to imagine that higher earners would easily be able to navigate out to deeper waters with better boats whereas lower income would stay in shallower waters which is noted as largely where this is happening

        • mushi_shi 7 hours ago
          Yeah, why go through all of the effort to blame this on colonialism? Maybe these people just suck and don't care/don't know any better. We can't make everything a problem of colonialism.
          • zmgsabst 6 hours ago
            They feel superior to those “lesser” humans, when denying them equal intelligence, agency, and morality.

            They’re just getting off on being racist to the “savages who don’t know better”.

      • joshuaissac 7 hours ago
        > it's likely poverty and subsistence living that's driving adoption of this 'technique'

        From the article:

        > While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation.

        > The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.

        • parineum 7 hours ago
          How big of a boat do you think you need to scoop up some fish?

          None of those things cost a lot of money and the return on investment for just affording a single bomb pays for itself almost immediately.

        • paimapi 7 hours ago
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  • heyitsmedotjayb 7 hours ago
    I bet many of the people here moaning and whinging eat fish themselves!
    • kubb 7 hours ago
      I bet almost nobody here eats bombfished fish. <0.1%
      • spindump8930 7 hours ago
        > While fishers predominantly use the method to catch fish for sale at local markets — identifiable by their ruptured internal organs and burst swim bladders

        The article agrees, assuming "here" is global north tech workers.

      • heyitsmedotjayb 7 hours ago
        No fishers, no food.
        • kubb 7 hours ago
          Incoherent, broken logic.
        • everdrive 7 hours ago
          No bombs, no fishers.
          • aqfamnzc 6 hours ago
            Damn, watertight logic
    • micromacrofoot 6 hours ago
      What's the point of this post? if you're trying to shame people into vegetarianism it's not going to work, and I'm one myself.

      There's basically one solution to bomb fishing: make it economically nonviable. You could ban it an punish the people doing it, which is often the immediate action taken and seems like the path being set up here...

      but really any money spent on enforcement may be better spent on setting the bomb fishers up with the tools to make a living doing something else — ironically "teach a man to fish"